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my name is Andrew Collins I am a

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historian a writer Explorer and lecturer

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and I also am the author of a large

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number of books which I'd like to think

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changed the way we perceive the past

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what first inspired me to get into the

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subject was my own passion for the

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mysteries of life when I was a child and

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it was something which I assumed

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everybody else was in true and into but

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it wasn't until I got into high school

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that I realized that it myself and just

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one or two other people the only people

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that actually shared this interest and

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even I forgot about it for a few years

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until I started work and I started then

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reading a large number of pulp

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paperbacks on UFOs and psychic mysteries

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and you know and I then read Erich von

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Daniken's book chariot of the gods which

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I think probably changed everything

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because it was the first time that I'd

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really read about the mysteries of the

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Great Pyramid the Nazca lines the

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Sumerian civilizations and many other

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things as well and I became intrigued

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with the idea of you know what

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motivators weight motivated us to create

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these incredible monuments of the past

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and also my interest was communication

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the idea that humanity may well have

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been in touch with otherworldly or

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supernatural forces I work with psychics

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I see psychic information come out and

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often it's very very accurate and it

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certainly inspires me and I wondered

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whether our ancestors also had similar

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forms of communication with with these

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entities that existed in

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in other realms I mean that was my

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motivation and my interest basically is

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in why things were done you know whether

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it's the creation of a monument like

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Stonehenge or the great pyramids or the

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symbolism behind rock art or cave arts

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and the motivations for them doing it

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and that's that's my main area of

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interest really I mean I'm not that

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worried about how they created something

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I'll leave that to some of my colleagues

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I'm interested in why I think my first

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real interests came about through

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personal experiences in this field I

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mean for instance as far back I think it

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was a 1977 I went to a place called

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warminster in South West England where

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UFO sightings had appeared for a great

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many years and I was there one night

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arrived there out 3 3:30 in the morning

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I was on a farmer's track and this

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intensely bright blue a white ball of

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light came out of thick bank of fog and

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crossed the road which I just come along

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must myself with three other people in

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the car and we witnessed this this this

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liar and and yet the strange thing about

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it is that as soon as we saw it as soon

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as it disappeared we didn't go

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investigate which we should have done I

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was an in UFO investigator and so was my

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my colleague there but we all just fell

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asleep

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all four people in the car just fell

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asleep which is really curious and very

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weird and the next thing we know we we

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woke up in the morning and you know the

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first thing we said was what the hell

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happened last night and of course at

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that point we went to investigate and

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made sure that there was absolutely no

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mundane explanation for this and there

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wasn't at all so obviously we concluded

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that we'd seen some kind of mysterious

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light earth light or UFO and I think

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that really that that had a profound

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interest an effect on me because it was

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there after the

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I found myself in contact with what

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essentially was Great Britain's first

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ever UFO abductees this was a family by

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the name of die

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DIY who lived at a place called a valley

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in Essex the county that I live in and I

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was put on to them by a UFO organization

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to go investigate them and I met them

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and they were you know great

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down-to-earth people and essentially

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what had happened is that they were

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travelling along I wrote like one night

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on a very short journey which they knew

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how long it would take which was about

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20 minutes and they saw this blue oval

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light over the car and they noted that

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and then carried on their journey and

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then they the next thing they found is

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that the car and headlights filed the

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engine filed and they could not no

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longer hear the tires actually going

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over the road the radio started smoking

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they had to pull out the wires to that

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you know it's all happened very quickly

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and they passed around a bend and found

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the aluminous Bank of green mist right

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across the road in front of them like a

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fog or a gas or something which was just

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otherworldly and they went into this I

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felt very nauseous and the next thing

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they know they were three-quarters of a

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mile a kilometer or so further on from

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the same location

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and after checking that everybody was

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okay they drove home and really didn't

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talk about the subject for a while but

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they kept having very strange dreams

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that the parents about being in very

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bright lit rooms on sort of what

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appeared to be like hospital operating

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tables and these strange beings which

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they described as gnomes which is a type

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of fairy or little people that seemed to

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be examined them and they lived with

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this for a while and eventually they

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realize that they would just have to do

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something about it until somebody tried

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to ignore it and that's how I was put in

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touch with them and

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hypnosis revealed an onboard experience

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and I wrote all this up for a series of

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articles for the magazine Flying Saucer

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and it was you know it was great but

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this was where it really began for me

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because I became really good friends

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with these people

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and I would spend the Friday night

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around there and we would do you know

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everything from meditations to hypnosis

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to you know what you'd call it all the

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ghosts watching you know watching for

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paranormal phenomena and on a number of

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occasions weird things happened you know

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including poltergeist activity when I

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was staying around there on my own in

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their front room and also at one point I

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actually saw an entity I woke up just as

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it got light and the door went behind me

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and the man of the house John was was on

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the floor in a sleeping bag and so was

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my other colleague and you know his wife

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was asleep and she's a quite small lady

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and yet this is a really tall figure was

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standing behind me I just looked and saw

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her and I wonder what it was at which

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point my my nose by filling up with this

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really strange smell which smell like

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rotten eggs and it was really strange

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nauseous smell and at which point I just

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fell asleep again and in one of these

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situations like the next thing you know

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you wake up in the morning and you think

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what the hell happened last night the

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same thing and it was John really that

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started to get me into the ancient

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mysteries because he found that he could

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see energies around people after this

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experience he could see people's aura he

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could go to prehistoric sites like stone

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circles and see energies flowing in and

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out of them you know around the stones

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and things like this accumulating

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dissipating and he participated actively

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in a project known as was at the dragon

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project

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on behalf of the lie hunter magazine

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where you know he gave his sort of like

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intuitive insights into one particular

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stone circle called the rollright stones

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and it was at this time really that with

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with John and his family and a couple

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other friends that we really started

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visiting prehistoric sites for the first

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time including the great stone circle of

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Avebury and South East so it southwest

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England Glastonbury the row right stones

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and things like this and that's really

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was my my point of entry into the

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subject which was a few years after

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having read erich von daniken and i

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started reading the works of earth

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mystery researchers like john michell

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paul dev'reaux pulse and various

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other people like this who were like

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pioneers in this lay hunting world you

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know the idea that ancient sites are

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interconnected through some kind of

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network or grid which is both visible on

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the landscape as like lines of sight but

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also something that douses can pick up

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using you know sort of angle rods and

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you know the the hazel twig markers and

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whatever so that's really how I got into

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the subject and I started attending

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conferences which were known as the ley

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hunters moat which took place in various

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places in the UK and I like this idea I

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like this idea of you know of having

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these you know yearly gatherings of

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people of like mine so I started

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something which I originally called the

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psychic questing conference eventually

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just became the questing conference

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which was arguably one of the most

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successful conferences that's ever

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occurred you know year on an annual

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basis in the UK and I still run a form

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of that today with my colleague Hugh

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Newman which is known as origins which

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last year we had Graham Hancock and

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Robert buthow this year we have Robert

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Bryan Forester various other great

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speakers so the tradition continues

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really so I started to look into the

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idea of the origins of angels in an

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ancient text they're referred to as the

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Watchers and the Watchers would seem to

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have been heavenly angels but they seem

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to have quite corporeal or physical

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bodies as well they describe very

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specifically as extremely tall with

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white or pale skin white hair which is

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long and in some cases frizzy and they

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seem to have very penetrating eyes which

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are described as like the Sun you know

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shining like the the Sun or whatever and

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that they also are describes having

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extremely long faces vizag's like vipers

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in in one particular reference which

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seems to be quite specific to you know a

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particular population or something like

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that and this intrigued me and the other

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thing was is that there was descriptions

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of accounts of women who have children

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that are said to resemble the Watchers

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and the angels to the point that their

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husband sort of turned to them and say

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you know this child does not look like

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mine you know have you been sleeping

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with with one of one of the watches

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which intrigued me again because it

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seemed very much as if you're describing

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you know a human population here and so

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I looked into this further particularly

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into the origins of the Garden of Eden

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and realized that it was a physical

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locality with the best evidence pointing

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towards it being somewhere in the area

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of what is today eastern anatolia

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Asiatic Turkey which is where the rivers

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of paradise come together two of those

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are very easily identify

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as the Euphrates and the Tigris and the

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other two you know as their certain

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disputes over them but they both seem to

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also rise in the area of Eastern

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Anatolia so that gives us a sort of

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rough area of Eden and indeed a number

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of ancient maps that I've looked at also

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seem to point towards Eden being in this

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locality so Eden was said to be

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synonymous with both paradise ie the

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terrestrial paradise but also heaven

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itself somewhere which we would normally

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associate with somewhere above the

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clouds and it said that this is where

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the angels inhabited but and that they

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guarded the garden of righteousness you

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know that the garden in which Adam and

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Eve had supposedly you know grown up and

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therefore we had a physical locality for

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these people and coinciding with this is

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the fact that this same region is known

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as the cradle of civilization a great

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number of firsts occurred for humankind

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here everything from the origins of

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Agriculture to the first animal

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husbandry to the first set of

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communities the first structured

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buildings the first metalwork even the

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first wine and the first beer all hailed

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from from this area so it seemed as if

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that there were a number of innovations

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that took place in this cradle of

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civilization which roughly corresponds

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to that the Near East or the political

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land of Kurdistan which embraces as I

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said eastern anatolia north northern

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Syria northern Iraq and western Iran and

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obviously Armenia which is just the

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north of here this was the seemingly

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that the area known as the cradle of

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civilization and also the Garden of Eden

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and so obviously I wondered whether

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these Watchers if they were real

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actually lived in this region

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well it seemed very likely that if they

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were physical then they were behind

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these these innovations and this seems

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to be the case because in the Book of

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Enoch the Watchers are described as

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giving humanity the Arts and Sciences of

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heaven which was seemingly a crime that

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they should not have done this these

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rebel Watchers as it were which

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supposedly descended in among mortal

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kind and not only revealed these these

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secrets but also took mortal wives who

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gave birth to giant offspring referred

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to us as the Nephilim generally so

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another reason to suggest that they had

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some kind of corporeal existence so I

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began to realize as far back as the the

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mid-1990s that the Watchers may well

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have been a metaphor for the originators

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of civilization in the Near East but

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there was more because there was

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descriptions of the Watchers wearing

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clogs of feather or very dark iridescent

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coats and clogs that seemed to be

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corresponding to you know that the

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feathers of birds things like this so I

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wonder whether they were Charmian and

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what's interesting is that one of the

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most important cults of rich or amongst

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the early Neolithic is that of the bird

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shaman in most particularly associated

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with the bird known as the vulture and

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the vulture was very important in

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prehistoric societies because it was

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very often used to pick clean the flesh

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of bodies in the process known as X

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carnation where you know that the flesh

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would be removed by placing that the

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dead bodies in what's what they called

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explanation platforms which were

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generally away from a community and

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raised up quite high

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the birds would come down and you know

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take away the flesh and then afterwards

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the remaining bones would be collected

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up and interred in what's known as AI

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disarticulated burial or a secondary

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burial and that because the bird became

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so associated with the dead body and the

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disappearance of the dead body it was

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also seen to carry the soul into the

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next world and in other words that the

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fault the soul either took the form of

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the bird or the bird itself accompanied

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the soul by taking it under its wings

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and there are images at places like the

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Neolithic city of chattel hayek in

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southern central Turkey which date to

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around 7,000 BC to seem to show just

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this but what's more important is that

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this soul was seen therefore not only to

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take the form of a bird but could

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obviously travel from the material

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existence into the Otherworld and back

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again

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for ink for you know reincarnation or

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incarnation in its own right and

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therefore the Shaymin whose Duty it was

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to enter into the Otherworld to get

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otherworldly information to encounter

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and deal with supernatural forces

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possibly to to heal people and you know

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various other duties that they had would

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see themselves as having to take that

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same form of a bird and to do this they

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would wear the cloaks of the of the

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particular birds obviously there are

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animals involved as well that they would

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also take that the guys off but to get

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into the mindset of the bird you know

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they would wear the paraphernalia of

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that particular avian creature and

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obviously the vulture was one of them I

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mean obviously in other parts of the

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world there were different birds that

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represented the carriers of the song I

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mean for instance in a lot of Europe and

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central

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in eastern Asia the familiar soul birds

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or psychopomp psa's is a word that's

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used in Greek which means soul carriers

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are the Swan for instance the goose the

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crane and the stalk all of these are

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substitutes if you like for the vulture

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which would seem to have been very

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important in the area of the Near East

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or Southwest Asia and I think that this

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is this was significant this is the

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origins of the association of the soul

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with a bird really and so therefore I

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began to realize that the Watchers were

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bird Sharman in particular vulture

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shaman and actually even got a an artist

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to you know to create an image showing

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one of these these vulture shaman who

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obviously doubled up therefore as a

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watcher so for the first time we had a

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true image in my opinion of what a

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watcher from the book of a not look like

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and all of these ideas were eventually

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brought out in a work of mine called

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from the ashes of angels that appeared

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in 1996 and that was very well received

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I mean it had I you know a testimonial

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from Graham Hancock who already knew by

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that time and the book did very very

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well

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worldwide and really established me as I

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you know as an author and historical

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writer and that's it really I suppose

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that's how it all began and from that

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point onwards we'd gone on to do many

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great things yeah if people are

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interested in my work and the books that

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